tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3589378.post114296832238779395..comments2023-10-21T05:40:55.660-04:00Comments on man with black hat: My Life As A “Charity Case”David L Alexanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13871706129906941567noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3589378.post-1142974605407222992006-03-21T15:56:00.000-05:002006-03-21T15:56:00.000-05:00"FWIW, David, some of these responses are near-ver...<I>"FWIW, David, some of these responses are near-verbatim quotations from conversations..."</I><BR/><BR/>...which, FWIW, I've heard before.<BR/><BR/>Here's the problem in a nutshell, Rich, specifically at the parish level. We start tossing words around as if everyone already "got the memo" on them. Words like "patriarchy," "inclusiveness," and "dialogue." Where are they mentioned in the documents on Vatican II? Where is the evidence of these supposed virtues in action?<BR/><BR/>More succinctly, what do the words mean???<BR/><BR/>If the tables were turned, and one was already part of the status quo, would one be as willing to "dialogue" with one's detractors?<BR/><BR/>Do we embody the results of these "reforms," or are we just the ones on top for the time being?<BR/><BR/>When people start throwing words at me as if I should know their meaning, I demand a definition. Give these intellectual lightweights to me for ten minutes. They don't know diddley.David L Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871706129906941567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3589378.post-1142973421553257152006-03-21T15:37:00.000-05:002006-03-21T15:37:00.000-05:00how is it that the same forces who were unwitting ...<I>how is it that the same forces who were unwitting "victims" have since become accessories to the corruption?</I> <BR/><BR/>What corruption? If only the laity embraced the true reforms of the council and got on with the revolution, we wouldn't have all these problems. Unfortunately, there is a neo-conservative movement conspiring to overturn Vatican II; we must be vigilant.<BR/><BR/><I>Is it "enlightened" to find one's numbers sadly diminished, one's original mission reduced significantly in scale?</I><BR/><BR/>That's why we need continue the dialogue about things like ordination. An open, more inclusive church is a growing church.<BR/><BR/><I>And would not abusing priests themselves be unwitting "victims" as well?</I> <BR/> <BR/>Absolutely. They too were chafing, perhaps unwittingly, at the vestiges of patriarchy.<BR/><BR/>FWIW, David, some of these responses are near-verbatim quotations from conversations with various lay ministers in my parish.Rich Leonardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01060538864273399240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3589378.post-1142970962199201002006-03-21T14:56:00.000-05:002006-03-21T14:56:00.000-05:00RIch:The "short answer" begs even more questions: ...RIch:<BR/><BR/>The "short answer" begs even more questions: how is it that the same forces who were unwitting "victims" have since become accessories to the corruption? Is it "enlightened" to find one's numbers sadly diminished, one's original mission reduced significantly in scale? And would not abusing priests themselves be unwitting "victims" as well?David L Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871706129906941567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3589378.post-1142969936866405052006-03-21T14:38:00.000-05:002006-03-21T14:38:00.000-05:00David,The short answer is, that was then and this ...David,<BR/><BR/>The short answer is, that was then and this is now. In other words, the abuses of Sister Mary Elephant were due to the flaws in the patriarchal system, the "Old Church." Thank God, the argument goes, we've reformed the system. Ours is a better, enlightened sisterhood for it.Rich Leonardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01060538864273399240noreply@blogger.com